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[Skaper]

Hello interrested readers

What I would report:
Something as small as a simple !slay Skaper
It should be in the logs if needed, but as you can see on the screenshot, it should be valid enough.
http://imageshack.us...spiderslay.png/

My side of the story:
We are playing on the Surf server, and I make up my mind, that I would be the last survivor of the CT team, so I just surf around on the first surf, making jumps, backwards surf, and all such timewasting things. Then when my last teammate dies, I decide that I now will play normal. So I do. I go get the equipment I would need (guns, ammo, armor etc.). I can see that there is only 2 Terrorists left, 1 of them is blackspider and the other one is ^^CoC0^^. Those 2 are very high level.
[TWG RPG] blackspider is ranked 15/9674 at level 884 with 2465/13260 XP and 40 credits
Cannot show you CoC0's since he left server, but, he is not a low levelled.
Both of them has disable.
The first "confrontration. We have a little shootout, and I lose both my guns (due to disable). So I flee from the combat, to get new guns, regen health, try catch them in a better place etc. Then a little later, I meet blackspider on the map, we have a little shootout, I lose my pistols, so I have my shotgun I use, I lose that, but I had picked up my pistols during the fight, then I lose them again, and all I have left is my knife, so once again, I get out. I know I cannot fight them 2vs1, so when if I see them camp ontop of jail, I decide not to stay and have a "chat". But rather try get another 1vs1 fight. But, as shown on the screenshot not everyone is happy with that.
This is how I experienced the scenario, I am sure blackspider saw it different, but I guess with some similarities

Why I think it is abuse of his powers:
- If it takes too long, there is the RTV command (It was never my intention to make people RTV'ed, I did not RTV, which I guess logs also can prove if that should be a problem)
- You cannot expect people to fight knife vs pistols and guns?
- He could himself, just have knifed me, that way I could not escape from the fight
- He warned me with the sentence (I don't have the sentence, but it was something like) "Stop running" in Admin all Chat, I responed "stop shooting the guns out of my hands then" which is a metaphor for him to stop dissable my guns, when we have a fight.
- There were no one asked me if I would like to have a knife fight, which is an often used solution

I will try to make Blackspider aware of this topic, so he can reply and tell his version of all this, before there comes judgemental, random or useles comments. Please give him a little to tell, so we can have a 2 sided "discussion" if you would like that expression

Skaper

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[blackspider]

i warned you, didn't attack you in jail, you just runned off, next time you get guns again, i come after you you keep running, warned you again

kept running, slayed you, end of story, if you want to fuck up a server and let everyone wait because you don't like dissable, do it somewhere else

Spider

[blackspider]

skaper


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2011-10-09 14:33:23 blackspider !slay skaper [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => slayed him

2011-10-09 14:33:17 gekkegerrit rtv [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:33:15 Skaper Stop shooting my guns out of my hands ,then [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => asked to stop again in mic

2011-10-09 14:33:05 ︻デ═一αωρ rtv [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:33:00 {#} /\/€€DL€ {oO} skaper pfffffffffff [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => more people annoyed

2011-10-09 14:32:32 ︻デ═一αωρ ur voice is noob [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:32:29 {#} /\/€€DL€ {oO} lol [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:32:26 ︻デ═一αωρ lol [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:32:12 prynnax haha [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:32:12 {#} /\/€€DL€ {oO} lol [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:32:10 ︻デ═一αωρ xD [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:59 ︻デ═一αωρ lol [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:56 prynnax RUN LOL [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:39 ^^Coc0^^ yes [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:39 yodaz And suck with English [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:35 Skaper "Skaper don't won [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:29 Skaper did he say [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:27 yodaz Hes kid [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:25 yodaz ;DDDD [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:25 {#} /\/€€DL€ {oO} was skaper vroeger nni TWG member [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:23 ^^Coc0^^ boy [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:21 ^^Coc0^^ yeah listen big bot [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => here people complained about his running, coco answered on it

2011-10-09 14:31:20 ︻デ═一αωρ xD [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:16 prynnax loool [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:14 ^^Coc0^^ haha [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:02 The Strength rtv [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:31:00 $ JṑKḜŔǁ $ rtv [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:30:55 yodaz rtv [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:30:52 ^^Coc0^^ cmon ! [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:30:44 ^^Coc0^^ (Team) he is here [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => here he came in jail the first time with weapons just ran off

2011-10-09 14:30:37 blackspider need help?

2011-10-09 14:29:20 Calve Pindakaas telecamp [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:29:19 {#} /\/€€DL€ {oO} lol [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:29:17 The Strength in jail [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:29:00 prynnax rtv [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:28:57 Skaper I dont [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => here we asked to stop running, he said he wasn't running but he kept jumping down and get back on spawn

2011-10-09 14:28:35 ^^Coc0^^ haha [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:28:25 ^^Coc0^^ ? [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000

2011-10-09 14:28:02 Skaper hoi => here i started talking to him about it



my warnings are in the admin logs, mats can check it out warned on mic, 2 times typed it in admin chat 1 time 2

[Skaper]

You started to talk to me about "it"?

And as I said, I wanted to be the last survivor,
"2011-10-09 14:29:17 The Strength in jail [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000"
The second you finished him off, I started playing, remember?

2011-10-09 14:30:44 ^^Coc0^^ (Team) he is here [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => here he came in jail the first time with weapons just ran off
Yes I came in jail, were heavily shot at, both of you are very close to me, but due to Spawn Protection I could walk around freely, I wouldn't want a 1vs2 vs 2 high levlers, and especially not 2 with dissable. There is no reason to fight a battle that is already lost?

And about people getting annoyed

Look at the logs, any time a day, you will see people being annoyed of something, calling eachother names, such things. Can't really see what's your point with it. And as you can see on the time:
2011-10-09 14:33:15 Skaper Stop shooting my guns out of my hands ,then [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => asked to stop again in mic

2011-10-09 14:33:23 blackspider !slay skaper [NL] Tweakgaming.com #8 Surf RPG | HLStatsX surf_year3000 => slayed him

in just 8 seconds, you managed to do many things:
- You read what i wrote
- You thought of how you would response
- You typed !slay
- You told me to stop running
- You coud see i did not stop (I guess??)

So you expect me to fight you (and CoC0 in some of the cases) with nothing but a knife? I wasn't being impossible to kill, that you after you disable me, cannot finish me of, is now my fault? You could have slayed all, for the round to end, and everyone would get alive, no1 lost, no1 won?

[P34nut]

If skaper was really getting away because he was disabled, then I see no reason for the slay or other warnings

[Skaper]

P34nut, on 09 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

If skaper was really getting away because he was disabled, then I see no reason for the slay or other warnings

I guess there is no way to prove or disprove this, but witnesses.
But, it IS a fact, that both of the alive Terrorists at that time, (Coco and blackspider) DO have disable.
If they "used" it, I guess cannot be proven

Skaper

[blackspider]

peanut, he had his guns when he ran, at that time in the jail, he wasn't dissabled at that time, he just ran off, why? i wasn't attacking, so don't know he probably got dissabled by someone, me, coco don't know, but it doesn't take 5 minutes to get another gun don't you think?

Spider

and heavlily shot, i was sitting on the letters waiting.... wasn't shooting at all.... you just ran off again, if coco shot at you, was 1 vs 1, you had spawnprotection.... he couldn't disable you then or couldn't kill you

[Skaper]

blackspider, on 09 October 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

peanut, he had his guns when he ran, at that time in the jail, he wasn't dissabled at that time, he just ran off, why? i wasn't attacking, so don't know he probably got dissabled by someone, me, coco don't know, but it doesn't take 5 minutes to get another gun don't you think?

Spider

and heavlily shot, i was sitting on the letters waiting.... wasn't shooting at all.... you just ran off again, if coco shot at you, was 1 vs 1, you had spawnprotection.... he couldn't disable you then or couldn't kill you

Yes, I had spawnprotection, and when I can see my screen shake (as when you get a headshot) and I can see 2 terrorists which both look at me, and (if you say you didn't shoot) I believe that both of them shoot at me.
And no, I do not say I got dissabled that time, I thought, In there that (if I stayed) I were going to fight a 2vs1 battle, vs 2 highlevelers with dissable, who both used duals. That was my reason not to stay, and if you remember, everytime we "met" on the map, I fought, untill I had no weapons. You remember after the 2nd surf? Down in the secret water room? I were dissabled 3-4 times? wtf? There are limits for how many times I can pick up my guns and still want to fight, And with your combo (Duals/Shotgun) You have the most disable benefetting weapon combo. The pistols where you can just "spray", and the shotgun which shoots 8?? bullets in 1 shot = almost 100% dissable if you hit.

And idk if it is just me, when I wanna show that 2 others can 1v1. I either tell them in chat, or I crouch somewhere with my knife. How should I be able to trust that you would not join the fight between me and CoC0?

[CocO]

i dont want problems but skaper man you could ask 1 on 1 or knife fight or what you good at i would accept it
i have no problem with it..
but i left.. and dont know wat happend ..

[Laurita]

I find it pretty weak to slay a player in the surf server because u cannot kill him... get skills?

[needle]

lol after a lot off minuts i was tired off al the running

you can run 5 min but not 10 if you now what i mean

[Laurita]

i was being sarcastic

[Thomas964]

I don't see the point in slaying when running is allowed? it isn't wroten in the rules or something? and blackspider and coco... disable nerds 1 shot 2 guns disabled, i would've ran too. i mean i'm not going to fight 2 disablers and probaly wtih FP...
but laurita, why wouldn't u fight with a knife against 2 guns i would ^^ double pin ftw ;p

[Thomas964]

and blackspider, if u got tired of chasing don't slay.. i don't see the point in that, even if people get annoyed it's allowed to run. kinda admin abuse, if u can't catch some 1 get skills. don't use ur admin powers to overpower them... (wich you always do)

[blackspider]

thomas this ain't a topic for you, and i wasn't chasing, so you want to keep on lieing??? And a slay still is a warning...

spider

[Heartbreaker]

Without Disable there wouldn't be such reports... But i know, "Disable is part of the Game"

[Skaper]

blackspider, on 23 October 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

thomas this ain't a topic for you, and i wasn't chasing, so you want to keep on lieing??? And a slay still is a warning...

spider

Might be true "slay still is a warning". But, it is also an act of an admin, everyone can "warn" another player by telling he is breaking the rules, only admins can slay those players.

[black_booster]

I have 1 thing to say, skaper you already lost this battle by deciding to be the last one of your team ... you want to be last and there you started fooling around. Once you're last you deicide to get those guy's, but then you complain that you're 1 vs rest ... it's normal if you're last that it always be 1 vs rest ... So you already wasted alot of time (which is your right to do for a certain duration of time (here I mean the first approximate 2 min)) and then you're surprised that they take you 2 vs 1 ...
I agree if you lose your weapons that you try to find new ones, so there we can't complain about, but because I know the background and I know you hate disable, I have a strong feeling that it was more than just "looking" for some new guns, rather then trying to find a good reason to remove disable ... Disable is part of the mod/game...

Counter strike is a shoot game, not a run game, so then try to shoot and stop being so obsessive by ranking, points and score ... big deal if you get killed 2 vs 1, you asked for it in the first place when you decided to be the last one from your team ...

[Skaper]

black_booster, on 25 October 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

I have 1 thing to say, skaper you already lost this battle by deciding to be the last one of your team ... you want to be last and there you started fooling around. Once you're last you deicide to get those guy's, but then you complain that you're 1 vs rest ... it's normal if you're last that it always be 1 vs rest ... So you already wasted alot of time (which is your right to do for a certain duration of time (here I mean the first approximate 2 min)) and then you're surprised that they take you 2 vs 1 ...
I agree if you lose your weapons that you try to find new ones, so there we can't complain about, but because I know the background and I know you hate disable, I have a strong feeling that it was more than just "looking" for some new guns, rather then trying to find a good reason to remove disable ... Disable is part of the mod/game...

Counter strike is a shoot game, not a run game, so then try to shoot and stop being so obsessive by ranking, points and score ... big deal if you get killed 2 vs 1, you asked for it in the first place when you decided to be the last one from your team ...

It has nothing to do with fighting a 2vs1 battle, I have no problems at all with being outnumbered, no problem, fight me 5v1 if you like. My problem is, as you point out, that they have dissable, and now i do not know how big the % are. but lets say its 0,5% chance per level. Even tho I think it is higher
And we have 2x with level 10
Fighting 2vs1, with guns, no problem. Fighting knife vs guns, doesn't matter if there is 1.2 or 15 with guns, I didn't decide to fight only with my knife against his guns, then I would try go and icestab him. But I cannot see why I MUST be fighting with the huge risk of losing my guns.
And I know, that it will be nearly impossible for me, to go in a 2vs1 fight where I can only knife, trying to kill a player with 500hp and max regen. Just by looking at those facts, we can assume I cannot make a backstab since they will be looking at me all the time.

500/65=8 hits needed to die
That is just if he has 500hp, and I stand infront of him, knifing,
Then we have the regen which will need an extra hit to deal with
= 9 hits
We also have the Medic ability, but I am not sure if they have this ability, so this is not included, but if it was, it would take 1 or 2 extra hits
Now we are left with the Vampire ability.
It would make sense that he would hit me, a lot. Let's say he would get 300 extra hp regen by that, that is not unlikely at all.
300/65=5 extra hits
= 14hits

Ofcourse all of this is just in theory, I would probably get to make atleast 1 Backstab, but I should not count on that, and all this is also just if i hit all my knifehits, since my opponent would not just stand still and let me do the moving part.

So please, saying that it has anything to do with me being outnumbered? Not really.

Saying that it is because of disable? Yes, you can say that

"rather then trying to find a good reason to remove disable" This means, that when you have disable, and you disable your opponant, he is not even allowed to go and get new guns? Running is also a part of the game, remember? As I see it, the best way to counter disable, is not to go into a direct battle, but rather trying to snipe him, or take hit out quickly while he is not focussed on what's happening.

Skaper

[black_booster]

my point is, you waited till you got outnumbered, so if you get disabled, then you shouldn't keep on running until you got guns back ... Play normal like everyone else and please stop getting yourself into certain situations where you think hey I got the admin stuck, because turn it around, admins are always right, that's why we pay for the servers ...